Vengeance at Red Rock Pt 4:- The House Goes Bust

[Stormtrooper1990]

Yep, it was all part of Clinton's well worked meticulous plan that could only be achieved by the skills of Nancy and Sand and all three plsying their parts to perfection. Even though they only needed the waitresses clothes for about 10-15 minutes, they still needed to be professional and keep Abigail and Constance out of sight and mind so the plan wouldn't be rumbled.

I really think that is what I like so very much about the scene. The plan is so meticulous and well organized and it is fun to watch Abigail and Constance fall into it and have no clue. There are such fun touches like Clinton calling the two women over and telling them to provide water to Nancy and Sand while Nancy gives him an approving nod.

Then we get the scene when the women come into the dressing room. "She looked the girls up and down. Clinton has sized them up, they are both perfect fits. This girl is exactly my size..." Love the idea of Nancy sizing Abigail up while the pretty brunette doesn't have a clue. Then the great imagery of Nancy gesturing to Sand to get behind Constance while Nancy herself maneuvers behind unsuspecting Abigail. I always like a scene where the attacker is right behind the woman ready to strike but she has no clue. Kind of like the scene in Star Trek when Spock comes up behind the radio engineer and pausing for a moment before nerve pinches her while she remains unaware.

The best part is Abigail seemingly doesn't comprehend what is happening. He comment "S-stop it! Your hurting meee..." seems to show she doesn't understand what is happening. Then we get the "W-what happened...?" as she starts to wake up.

Thanks, looking back I'am pleased with how it all turned out. The whole scene itself represents my love of well thought and meticulous heist sequences in films like Oceans and is my nod to that genre. Indeed I think that heists are great fertile ground where we don't see many USB scenes but have terrific potential.


The two waitresses have no idea that they are flies about to be caught in an intricate and carefully woven spiders web, they are just innnocent girls obediently doing their jobs. Pawns in our hero's campaign against the dastardly McClaine. I mentioned before that I love my USB sequences to have that subtle build up and scenes like Spock sneaking up behind that engineer, who remains oblivious until the very last second but by that point its already too late, are inspiring to me. Again this served as inspiration for piecing this scene together, but in Constance's guess she really was ignorant of the danger she and her friend are in.


Indeed like Sylvié the maid, I wanted Constance to be just as memorable. An innocent, pretty girl who has gotten herself wrapped up in something bigger than herself.

For me the build up, giving the USB victims an identity is an intregal part of the USB experience. It titillates me just as much as the fun part itself.

[meditions142]

The two waitresses have no idea that they are flies about to be caught in an intricate and carefully woven spiders web, they are just innnocent girls obediently doing their jobs. Pawns in our hero's campaign against the dastardly McClaine.

Indeed its fun that as you say they are pawns in the heroes' campaign. I think that is why Clinton's two comments "It's laudanum. We need it to keep them quiet for the next three hours." and "Right let's get them stashed away, so we can discuss the next stage of the plan." stood out to.

We know Clinton had mentioned he felt they were "good girls" and he hoped Nancy and Sand had been gentle with them. However, in the end to him they were nothing more that something to deal with to complete the plan. He had no qualms about drugging them and leaving them locked in a closet naked.

[Stormtrooper1990]

The two waitresses have no idea that they are flies about to be caught in an intricate and carefully woven spiders web, they are just innnocent girls obediently doing their jobs. Pawns in our hero's campaign against the dastardly McClaine.

Indeed its fun that as you say they are pawns in the heroes' campaign. I think that is why Clinton's two comments "It's laudanum. We need it to keep them quiet for the next three hours." and "Right let's get them stashed away, so we can discuss the next stage of the plan." stood out to.

We know Clinton had mentioned he felt they were "good girls" and he hoped Nancy and Sand had been gentle with them. However, in the end to him they were nothing more that something to deal with to complete the plan. He had no qualms about drugging them and leaving them locked in a closet naked.

Yeah, while our heroes are good people with the right intentions in saving the town they have to be subjective and somewhat detached about what they have to do. To our heroes Abigail and Constance where just essentially means to an end which was the weakening of McClaine's grip on Red Rock. Trapping the girls, knocking them out and stripping them were in their eyes necessary evils.


Indeed, I don't think Clinton had any illusions on what he and the girls had to do in regards to Abigail and Constance. In that instance they were also obstacles just like McClaine's goons were. He and the team knew the girls where innocents but it didn't stop them from removing them from the board for the sake of the greater good. Its why I believe that infiltrators when it comes to stealing clothes/ uniforms from other women, whether it's lethal or non-lethal must have be detached from their victims as much as possible and keep their eyes set in the goal.

[meditions142]

Yeah, while our heroes are good people with the right intentions in saving the town they have to be subjective and somewhat detached about what they have to do. To our heroes Abigail and Constance where just essentially means to an end which was the weakening of McClaine's grip on Red Rock. Trapping the girls, knocking them out and stripping them were in their eyes necessary evils.


Indeed, I don't think Clinton had any illusions on what he and the girls had to do in regards to Abigail and Constance. In that instance they were also obstacles just like McClaine's goons were. He and the team knew the girls where innocents but it didn't stop them from removing them from the board for the sake of the greater good.

It is interesting. From some previous comments I am sure Sand would have been alright with killing them. But of course she is taking and Nancy's lead.

And also even though he was indeed detached, Clinton remained a gentleman and averted his eyes as the naked women's bodies were dragged into the closet. That had to take some will power. And a shame missed seeing the scene. "Taking the nude waitresses under their arms, Nancy and Sand dragged them over to the waiting closet laying them slumped shoulder to shoulder." That had to be sexy! Love the image of the two women slumped against each other unconscious with they lovely naked bodies on full display.

[Stormtrooper1990]

Yeah, while our heroes are good people with the right intentions in saving the town they have to be subjective and somewhat detached about what they have to do. To our heroes Abigail and Constance where just essentially means to an end which was the weakening of McClaine's grip on Red Rock. Trapping the girls, knocking them out and stripping them were in their eyes necessary evils.


Indeed, I don't think Clinton had any illusions on what he and the girls had to do in regards to Abigail and Constance. In that instance they were also obstacles just like McClaine's goons were. He and the team knew the girls where innocents but it didn't stop them from removing them from the board for the sake of the greater good.

It is interesting. From some previous comments I am sure Sand would have been alright with killing them. But of course she is taking and Nancy's lead.

And also even though he was indeed detached, Clinton remained a gentleman and averted his eyes as the naked women's bodies were dragged into the closet. That had to take some will power. And a shame missed seeing the scene. "Taking the nude waitresses under their arms, Nancy and Sand dragged them over to the waiting closet laying them slumped shoulder to shoulder." That had to be sexy! Love the image of the two women slumped against each other unconscious with they lovely naked bodies on full display.

Indeed, Sand being a Native American isn't exactly used to 'civilised' society and often sees the most brutal efficient path being the right one. Plus, given the state of how her people have been brutalised by the settlers Sand does have a dim view of the white settlers. Naturally had she not been following Nancy's and Clinton's lead she probably would have killed them. But I like to think that her spending time with Nancy and Clinton as opened her eyes and that she is learning that sometimes their are different ways to achieve your ends. And not every white settler is evil.


Indeed, Clinton reflects the mindset of the time; he is a perfect gentleman who only has eyes for Nancy but doesn't wish to take advantage of their victims and a little bit of a prude as well. Like you say, credit to him and his willpower had it been me in that room seeing Nancy and Sand drag away the fine young naked bodies of Abigail and Constance, I would have definitely had a good long look. And I totally agree with you my friend, there is nothing more sexy than the mental image of two fine naked girls slumped together shoulder to shoulder, baring all in a closet.

[meditions142]

Indeed, Clinton reflects the mindset of the time; he is a perfect gentleman who only has eyes for Nancy but doesn't wish to take advantage of their victims and a little bit of a prude as well. Like you say, credit to him and his willpower had it been me in that room seeing Nancy and Sand drag away the fine young naked bodies of Abigail and Constance, I would have definitely had a good long look. And I totally agree with you my friend, there is nothing more sexy than the mental image of two fine naked girls slumped together shoulder to shoulder, baring all in a closet.

Indeed he probably was quite the gentleman however my guess is he probably got quite the eye full when he entered the room initially and saw both women unconscious and slumped in the chairs naked. Of course he then looked away and was all business talking with Nancy and going over the plan.

I also liked the way Nancy gestured for Sand to watch the women in case they started to wake up while she and Clinton were talking. Would have been interesting to see what Sand would have done to knock one of them back out if they started waking up since she didn't have the drug yet.

[Stormtrooper1990]

Indeed, Clinton reflects the mindset of the time; he is a perfect gentleman who only has eyes for Nancy but doesn't wish to take advantage of their victims and a little bit of a prude as well. Like you say, credit to him and his willpower had it been me in that room seeing Nancy and Sand drag away the fine young naked bodies of Abigail and Constance, I would have definitely had a good long look. And I totally agree with you my friend, there is nothing more sexy than the mental image of two fine naked girls slumped together shoulder to shoulder, baring all in a closet.

Indeed he probably was quite the gentleman however my guess is he probably got quite the eye full when he entered the room initially and saw both women unconscious and slumped in the chairs naked. Of course he then looked away and was all business talking with Nancy and going over the plan.

I also liked the way Nancy gestured for Sand to watch the women in case they started to wake up while she and Clinton were talking. Would have been interesting to see what Sand would have done to knock one of them back out if they started waking up since she didn't have the drug yet.

I think you could be right, I mean it would be very hard for Clinton not to notice the two naked cuties sat slumped in the chairs. And who could blame him if he did so. But yes, he probably shook the image from his mind when he went over the plan with the girls. I can imagine him checking out Nancy wearing Abigails outfit and thinking 'The thought of her stripping that off Abigail...mmmm' .



Indeed, I think given Sand's no nonsense attitude she would have no doubt resorted to a quick punch in the face to keep one or both women unconscious had they woken up before being administered the laudanum.

[meditions142]

Indeed, I think given Sand's no nonsense attitude she would have no doubt resorted to a quick punch in the face to keep one or both women unconscious had they woken up before being administered the laudanum.

So, I guess Abigail was lucky she didn't wake up sooner than she did. Would have hated to mar her pretty with the black eye. Not to mention I am sure Clinton would have been disappointed that she wasn't gentle!

Also interesting that Constance remained out cold and unlike Abigail didn't start waking up. Wonder if she is a good bit stronger than Nancy and therefore the effects of her sleeperhold lasted longer!

[Stormtrooper1990]

Indeed, I think given Sand's no nonsense attitude she would have no doubt resorted to a quick punch in the face to keep one or both women unconscious had they woken up before being administered the laudanum.

So, I guess Abigail was lucky she didn't wake up sooner than she did. Would have hated to mar her pretty with the black eye. Not to mention I am sure Clinton would have been disappointed that she wasn't gentle!

Also interesting that Constance remained out cold and unlike Abigail didn't start waking up. Wonder if she is a good bit stronger than Nancy and therefore the effects of her sleeperhold lasted longer!

Indeed she was very lucky. And I agree it would have been a shame to ruin Abigail's good looks with a black eye. Yeah, I think Clinton and maybe Nancy would have chewed Sand's ear off for being rough on the poor girl.


Yep, thanks to her upbringing in the wild with her tribe Sand is a great deal stronger than Nancy with better upper body strength. Hence Constance staying unconscious longer than Abigail.

[meditions142]

Yep, thanks to her upbringing in the wild with her tribe Sand is a great deal stronger than Nancy with better upper body strength. Hence Constance staying unconscious longer than Abigail.

Makes sense. And probably why it was Sand and Clinton were the ones to knock out Sylvié and Eleanor as they are the strongest of the three.

I still felt bad for Sylvié. She was just a cute little maid dragged into the saga because Nancy needed to impersonate her boss. She did exactly what she was told to do. However, she still ended up getting the nasty blow to the back of her neck to knock her out.