Ellana's Cultural Studies on Humanity:- Chapter 18 :- On the Men (ànd Women) in Black

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meditions142 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:29 pm
Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:05 pm
Definitely. Ellana wants to observe what the woman feels, at the precise moment she pinches them, mostly because she enjoys the little squeak they make as she knocks them out. So whenever it's when she grips the woman around the throat or when she's silencing her cries, her pheromones are released. So while the woman is feeling this brief moment of pain, she also feels slightly aroused at the same time. Not enough for an orgasm but enough to feel the sensation of pleasure.

With the neckchops, Ellana doesn't administer her pheromones because A. The blow is sudden and violent B. She doesn't need to. The object being to render her victim unconscious quickly. That doesn't mean of course she doesn't take pleasure from it, the opposite in fact. If you were to ask Ellana herself, she would tell you that she prefers the pinches. But there is a part of her that loves to experiment, the scientist in her.
Interesting to imagine that while the woman feels the pain of Ellana's pinch at the same time she becomes strangely aroused. Interesting that as you say she "feels the sensation of pleasure" as Ellana is rendering her unconscious. Of course the poor cuties who Kremm attacks aren't as lucky. They just feel the pain in their necks from his powerful pinch before he sends them to sleepyland.

In interestingly too that Ellana actually enjoys knocking the women out. You note she actually wants to observe the women's reactions to the pinch and also enjoys the noise they make when she pinches them.

However, interesting too that she enjoys the chop. I guess she is fascinated at how the chop so instantly puts the women out.

Indeed, you have to feel bad for the poor cuties are knocked out by Kremm. They feel that slight instance of pain then its off to the land of dreams. At least with Ellana they feel that bizarre mix of pleasure and pain, which must be quite confusing but also arousing all at once. In a strange way you could say they are the luckier ones.


Indeed. Part of Ellana's mission is to explore human culture and that means by extension humans themselves. And that means observing their interactions, including knocking them unconscious. I think Ellana enjoys everything about her work, the discovery, the knocking out of women and stripping them, admiring their nakedness. Becoming them and living their lives, fooling their nearest and dearest she loves it all. I also mentioned that Ellana does desire to commit to a sexual relationship with a human woman, in order to better understand humans. After all intimacy brings understanding. This relationship will become a key part of Ellana's time on Earth and lead her on many different adventures.


She does indeed. And you hit the nail on the head there. Ellana is fascinated by how quickly the chop renders the woman unconscious. Granted she may prefer the intimate nature of the pinch, but that doesn't mean she doesn't find the chop both useful and fun.
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Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:48 pm
Indeed, you have to feel bad for the poor cuties are knocked out by Kremm. They feel that slight instance of pain then its off to the land of dreams. At least with Ellana they feel that bizarre mix of pleasure and pain, which must be quite confusing but also arousing all at once. In a strange way you could say they are the luckier ones.

She does indeed. And you hit the nail on the head there. Ellana is fascinated by how quickly the chop renders the woman unconscious. Granted she may prefer the intimate nature of the pinch, but that doesn't mean she doesn't find the chop both useful and fun.
Yea it is kind of fun to think of the differences with when Kremm does it and Ellana does it. Indeed when Ellana does it the women do feel a bit of pleasure despite what is happening to them. With Kremm that doesn't happen. They simply feel the pain of his powerful pinch on their necks then its all over. They are knocked out and will not wake up for at least four hours.

Indeed. I love to imagine Ellana standing over the body of a woman she just knocked out so quickly she was out cold before she hit the floor and smiling at how quick and efficient the chop is.
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meditions142 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 2:19 pm
Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 1:48 pm
Indeed, you have to feel bad for the poor cuties are knocked out by Kremm. They feel that slight instance of pain then its off to the land of dreams. At least with Ellana they feel that bizarre mix of pleasure and pain, which must be quite confusing but also arousing all at once. In a strange way you could say they are the luckier ones.

She does indeed. And you hit the nail on the head there. Ellana is fascinated by how quickly the chop renders the woman unconscious. Granted she may prefer the intimate nature of the pinch, but that doesn't mean she doesn't find the chop both useful and fun.
Yea it is kind of fun to think of the differences with when Kremm does it and Ellana does it. Indeed when Ellana does it the women do feel a bit of pleasure despite what is happening to them. With Kremm that doesn't happen. They simply feel the pain of his powerful pinch on their necks then its all over. They are knocked out and will not wake up for at least four hours.

Indeed. I love to imagine Ellana standing over the body of a woman she just knocked out so quickly she was out cold before she hit the floor and smiling at how quick and efficient the chop is.

Indeed. With Kremm he just focuses on subduing the women quickly and efficiently, without really sparing a thought for their welfare. They feel the intense pain then its a nice 4 hour nap. Whereas with Ellana, they will only be out for half thst but they will feel that curious mix of pain and pleasure. Ellana herself just wants to see what happens and because it's fun. And she doesn't have any qualms about leaving tied up and naked.


I know what you mean, my friend. Its a very sexy and powerful image indeed. Not only is she smiling at how quick and efficient the chop was at putting her mark down. She knows what's coming next too. :D
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Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:03 pm
Indeed. With Kremm he just focuses on subduing the women quickly and efficiently, without really sparing a thought for their welfare. They feel the intense pain then its a nice 4 hour nap. Whereas with Ellana, they will only be out for half thst but they will feel that curious mix of pain and pleasure. Ellana herself just wants to see what happens and because it's fun. And she doesn't have any qualms about leaving tied up and naked.
As much as I of course love Ellana's use of the pinch I think what you say here is why Kremm using the pinch is such a great scene for me. While Ellana has scientific interest and likes the entire process, as you say "with Kremm he just focuses on subduing the women quickly and efficiently, without really sparing a thought for their welfare."

Yes, he will not kill as Ellana doesn't want him too and also, as you have said, given how outmatched his targets are his soldier honor plays a role. Nonetheless, when Kremm strikes he really doesn't care about what the woman experiences or what he is doing to her. She is just an obstacle and all her cares about is she is eliminated. As you say, "They feel the intense pain then its a nice 4 hour nap." Kremm doesn't even spare a thought for what he has done to them.
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meditions142 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:27 pm
Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 3:03 pm
Indeed. With Kremm he just focuses on subduing the women quickly and efficiently, without really sparing a thought for their welfare. They feel the intense pain then its a nice 4 hour nap. Whereas with Ellana, they will only be out for half thst but they will feel that curious mix of pain and pleasure. Ellana herself just wants to see what happens and because it's fun. And she doesn't have any qualms about leaving tied up and naked.
As much as I of course love Ellana's use of the pinch I think what you say here is why Kremm using the pinch is such a great scene for me. While Ellana has scientific interest and likes the entire process, as you say "with Kremm he just focuses on subduing the women quickly and efficiently, without really sparing a thought for their welfare."

Yes, he will not kill as Ellana doesn't want him too and also, as you have said, given how outmatched his targets are his soldier honor plays a role. Nonetheless, when Kremm strikes he really doesn't care about what the woman experiences or what he is doing to her. She is just an obstacle and all her cares about is she is eliminated. As you say, "They feel the intense pain then its a nice 4 hour nap." Kremm doesn't even spare a thought for what he has done to them.

Exactly. Kremm's top priority is Ellana's immediate safety and wellbeing. For Kremm these women are just obstacles, even potential threats to Ellana. The quicker they are out of the picture for the four hour duration, the happier Kremm is. And given the fact that they are both from an alien civilisation that is light years ahead of humanity, their lack of concern to the women is understandable. Furthermore Kremm's other objective( whether Ellana wants him to or not) is to assist her. We know that Ellana is more than capable of taking out a woman and assuming her form, but that doesn't stop him. As with Carmen and Samantha, Kremm will eliminate a female then bring her to Ellana so she can acquire a disguise. And there will be instances in the future where Kremm will do exactly this. Of course he can't be with her all the time, but Ellana does value his skills and his friendship besides. Without him, she wouldn't be able to fulfill her mission.
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Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:39 pm
For Kremm these women are just obstacles, even potential threats to Ellana. The quicker they are out of the picture for the four hour duration, the happier Kremm is. And given the fact that they are both from an alien civilisation that is light years ahead of humanity, their lack of concern to the women is understandable.
Indeed that is what I love about Kremm and his pinch. For him it is simple and all business. When he applies the pinch is very much a casual, easy thing.

However, to the woman he uses it on the impact is massive. It causes a massive disruption to the poor woman's CNS and basically shuts it down. She will remain deeply unconscious for four hours. She never stood a chance against Kremm.
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meditions142 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:51 pm
Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 4:39 pm
For Kremm these women are just obstacles, even potential threats to Ellana. The quicker they are out of the picture for the four hour duration, the happier Kremm is. And given the fact that they are both from an alien civilisation that is light years ahead of humanity, their lack of concern to the women is understandable.
Indeed that is what I love about Kremm and his pinch. For him it is simple and all business. When he applies the pinch is very much a casual, easy thing.

However, to the woman he uses it on the impact is massive. It causes a massive disruption to the poor woman's CNS and basically shuts it down. She will remain deeply unconscious for four hours. She never stood a chance against Kremm.

Indeed. For Kremm it's just a case of muscle memory. He sneaks up on his target, she as no idea of the danger she's in. Kremm then clamps a hand over her mouth, muffling her cries. Then will a simple finger and thumb either side of her neck, the slightest of pinches to ensure she isnt killed, she's out instantly. Kremm then flings her over his shoulder and either finds her a nice hidden place or takes her to Ellana, so she can do what she does best. He doesn't even need to think it through.


We cut to our victim. She feels fear as Kremm grabs her, then with a slight touch she feels only a brief moment of pain, before she slumps unconscious in Kremms arms. She of course cannot comprehend that her CNS as been overridden with a faint touch nor that she should consider herself lucky. Our poor woman never had a chance. After the four hour sleep, she wake up quite naked whether alone or with another guard, with little recollection of what happened to her. Such is the skill of Kremm.
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Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:02 pm

We cut to our victim. She feels fear as Kremm grabs her, then with a slight touch she feels only a brief moment of pain, before she slumps unconscious in Kremms arms. She of course cannot comprehend that her CNS as been overridden with a faint touch nor that she should consider herself lucky. Our poor woman never had a chance. After the four hour sleep, she wake up quite naked whether alone or with another guard, with little recollection of what happened to her. Such is the skill of Kremm.

That is what I love about these scenes. A woman stands guard at her post. She is just an ordinary, young, pretty woman. She has no idea Kremm is sneaking up on her. She probably also can't imagine that someone would be able to knock her unconscious and basically disrupt her entire CNS with a simple press of her neck.

There she stands. Probably letting her mind wander thinking about what she will do after her shift, or what clothes to buy, or something like that. She never knows that Kremm is coming up behind her. Despite his size and power, he moves with stealth. She has no idea what is about to happen to her.

Then she has a hand cover her mouth and feels fingers on her neck. She is at first startled but then begins to panic. She suddenly feels a brief moment of intense pain but then her whole world goes dark and she slumps unconscious into Kremm's arms. She will be asleep for four hours. In her unconscious state she will receive a kiss from Ellana who will steal her uniform and take on her form.
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meditions142 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:57 pm
Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:02 pm

We cut to our victim. She feels fear as Kremm grabs her, then with a slight touch she feels only a brief moment of pain, before she slumps unconscious in Kremms arms. She of course cannot comprehend that her CNS as been overridden with a faint touch nor that she should consider herself lucky. Our poor woman never had a chance. After the four hour sleep, she wake up quite naked whether alone or with another guard, with little recollection of what happened to her. Such is the skill of Kremm.

That is what I love about these scenes. A woman stands guard at her post. She is just an ordinary, young, pretty woman. She has no idea Kremm is sneaking up on her. She probably also can't imagine that someone would be able to knock her unconscious and basically disrupt her entire CNS with a simple press of her neck.

There she stands. Probably letting her mind wander thinking about what she will do after her shift, or what clothes to buy, or something like that. She never knows that Kremm is coming up behind her. Despite his size and power, he moves with stealth. She has no idea what is about to happen to her.

Then she has a hand cover her mouth and feels fingers on her neck. She is at first startled but then begins to panic. She suddenly feels a brief moment of intense pain but then her whole world goes dark and she slumps unconscious into Kremm's arms. She will be asleep for four hours. In her unconscious state she will receive a kiss from Ellana who will steal her uniform and take on her form.

Indeed. That is such a great image my friend. I picture her with a fancy shiny gun, that the MiB supplied her with. She as no clue how it works or even if does work, but she feels safe and secure with it I hand. But she as no idea that it won't save her as Kremm is slowly creeping up behind her. Her mind wonders to something mundane but then Kremm strikes.


The gun drops from her hand, as Kremm muffled her cries then she feels a slight pain and she's off to sleepy land for four hours. Kremm throws her over his shoulder and takes her to Ellana. She likes her she kisses the guard and takes everything she as. Naked, Kremm shoves her into a vent where she will wake up. Only to be neuralysed and reassigned by her own side for her failure.
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Stormtrooper1990 wrote: Mon Mar 25, 2024 6:08 pm
The gun drops from her hand, as Kremm muffled her cries then she feels a slight pain and she's off to sleepy land for four hours. Kremm throws her over his shoulder and takes her to Ellana. She likes her she kisses the guard and takes everything she as. Naked, Kremm shoves her into a vent where she will wake up. Only to be neuralysed and reassigned by her own side for her failure.
And on top of that the poor woman doesn't even get the bit of pleasure she would have gotten if Ellana had pinched her.

And we can imagine a scenario where Ellana might need to masquerade as a guard for an extended time. The woman may stay out for a very long time while Ellana takes over her assignment and her entire life.

You know, now that I think about it, a really fun scene would be where, since Ellana is now starting to enjoy using the pinch, Ellana would release her pheromones on a woman. She would then lead her to a secluded area. Ellana would then use her suggestion on the woman to have her allow Ellana to put her fingers on her neck without resistance. And then of course she would send her to sleepyland with the pinch.
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