Vengeance at Red Rock Pt 4:- The House Goes Bust

[Stormtrooper1990]

In-between Eleanor's coachman here, the scene with Clinton and Grace and Emma in part 3, the scene with gardener Frank in part 2, and even Marcel in Escape from Cap François... There seems to be a recurring theme some (un?)lucky guy is always getting an eyeful thanks to uniform stealing shenanigans lately. I don't know if it's a running gag or a coincidence (and I'm reading too much into it), but I thought it was an amusing detail to single out. It does set those scenes apart.

Hi Rufus

It's funny you should mention that since I have been adapting my writing from Cap François onwards to include lucky/unlucky guys ( depending on your perspective ) who are getting right in the thick of things with USB. Don't forget Hans from Eye Glass of Morpheus who offscreen discovered his girl sans clothing or Gunther from Holy Grail who got a rather personal introduction to USB with his girlfriend.

The next stories, the finale to Red Rock included won't feature this detail much but I thank you for appreciating it. But it's something I return to now and again.

[rufusluciusivan]

The next stories, the finale to Red Rock included won't feature this detail much but I thank you for appreciating it. But it's something I return to now and again.

Well, it's a fun detail.

I know some folks prefer when the casting of USB scenes is 100% female, but personally, I don't mind male characters being featured in the story and taking part in the plot-related scenes. It brings more possibilities (romance being only one of them). I also don't mind one occasionally being the spectator of a Uniform Stealing scene when it's for the gag that the victim is/will be embarrassed. (Or the most amusing one is when it's the guy himself who's the most embarrassed.) Of course, the red line is that they shouldn't actually take part in the stealing itself or even touch the women in any way.

Technically, I don't even mind having a scene that features male-to-male uniform stealing if there is good female-to-female uniform stealing at the same time. Some of the best mainstream scenes in my opinion feature groups that include both men and women - like the one in the Get Backers manga, still one of my all-time favorites.

[Stormtrooper1990]

The next stories, the finale to Red Rock included won't feature this detail much but I thank you for appreciating it. But it's something I return to now and again.

Well, it's a fun detail.

I know some folks prefer when the casting of USB scenes is 100% female, but personally, I don't mind male characters being featured in the story and taking part in the plot-related scenes. It brings more possibilities (romance being only one of them). I also don't mind one occasionally being the spectator of a Uniform Stealing scene when it's for the gag that the victim is/will be embarrassed. (Or the most amusing one is when it's the guy himself who's the most embarrassed.) Of course, the red line is that they shouldn't actually take part in the stealing itself or even touch the women in any way.

Technically, I don't even mind having a scene that features male-to-male uniform stealing if there is good female-to-female uniform stealing at the same time. Some of the best mainstream scenes in my opinion feature groups that include both men and women - like the one in the Get Backers manga, still one of my all-time favorites.

I agree that male characters do indeed have a place in a female USB content. Red Rock isn't the first time I have included a male character in the narrative, in Operation Broken Sickle I featured Colonel Pushkin who assisted the main character Yuilya in infiltrating Stalin's dacha by providing a uniform ( from a very unlucky soviet corporal) and by providing the poison. I particularly like the idea of a male character, like Clinton luring women into a trap so his female teammates can steal their clothes/uniforms. Now generally I'am not one for embarrassment in USB scenes, I mean the maid in part 2 of Red Rock, would be more angry than embarrassed in that situation. That being said, I have written Clinton to be a gentleman particularly around Nancy and Sand's victims. He often averts his eyes during the girls doing their thing ( largely because he only eyes for Nancy and really doesn't want to make things awkward.) Of course I agree that the men shouldn't be involved in the stripping not touching the women. I mean if it's the women doing the touching than that's okay.


Now this is where I will draw the red line, I don't really like male-to-male scenes even if it's accompanied by a female-to-female scene at the same time. I have only written it once in one of my stories and it wasn't popular plus I hated it so I will never do it again. For me it's female-to-female only, I have no interest in male-to-male scenes and it's a line I will never cross. And even get me started on male-to-female or vice versa, that stuff is just wrong on so many levels.

Apologies for coming on a bit strong there at the end, it's just something I'am very passionate about.

[rufusluciusivan]

Now generally I'am not one for embarrassment in USB scenes, I mean the maid in part 2 of Red Rock, would be more angry than embarrassed in that situation.

Anger born out of embarrassment. (I admit, I'm trolling a bit for the joke here. Please don't take this statement too seriously. ) I mostly used embarassment as a general "carryall word".

Angry reactions can be fun too. The scene with the maid being discovered definitely had a bit of a humorous edge in my opinion.

I did notice Clinton only had eyes for Nancy... especially for some *ahem* part of Nancy's anatomy... in that scene. Though him being unwilling to look at naked women is both a subtle moment of characterization (he is supposed to be a positive character) and a reference on how general mentalities (were supposed to be) more prudish at the time.

Now this is where I will draw the red line, I don't really like male-to-male scenes even if it's accompanied by a female-to-female scene at the same time. I have only written it once in one of my stories and it wasn't popular plus I hated it so I will never do it again. For me it's female-to-female only, I have no interest in male-to-male scenes and it's a line I will never cross. And even get me started on male-to-female or vice versa, that stuff is just wrong on so many levels.

Apologies for coming on a bit strong there at the end, it's just something I'am very passionate about.

No I see you point. Now I believe on this aspect there's a difference between mainstream scenes and USB stories. (Good) mainstream scenes are so scarce that I'm willing to tolerate the token male-to-male uniform stealing if we at least can get a decent female-to-female uniform stealing as well. (Once again, the Get Backers scene is a textbook case in my opinion - there are a couple of guys mugged as well, but the focus of the aftermath is on the two cute female musicians.)

When it comes to USB tales, on which we as authors have a lot more control, I'm a lot closer to your opinion actually - personally I also don't wish to write male-to-male uniform stealing even alongside female-to-female scenes (although I won't cast stones if someone wants to try one).

[Stormtrooper1990]

Now generally I'am not one for embarrassment in USB scenes, I mean the maid in part 2 of Red Rock, would be more angry than embarrassed in that situation.

Anger born out of embarrassment. (I admit, I'm trolling a bit for the joke here. Please don't take this statement too seriously. ) I mostly used embarassment as a general "carryall word".

Angry reactions can be fun too. The scene with the maid being discovered definitely had a bit of a humorous edge in my opinion.

I did notice Clinton only had eyes for Nancy... especially for some *ahem* part of Nancy's anatomy... in that scene. Though him being unwilling to look at naked women is both a subtle moment of characterization (he is supposed to be a positive character) and a reference on how general mentalities (were supposed to be) more prudish at the time.

Now this is where I will draw the red line, I don't really like male-to-male scenes even if it's accompanied by a female-to-female scene at the same time. I have only written it once in one of my stories and it wasn't popular plus I hated it so I will never do it again. For me it's female-to-female only, I have no interest in male-to-male scenes and it's a line I will never cross. And even get me started on male-to-female or vice versa, that stuff is just wrong on so many levels.

Apologies for coming on a bit strong there at the end, it's just something I'am very passionate about.

No I see you point. Now I believe on this aspect there's a difference between mainstream scenes and USB stories. (Good) mainstream scenes are so scarce that I'm willing to tolerate the token male-to-male uniform stealing if we at least can get a decent female-to-female uniform stealing as well. (Once again, the Get Backers scene is a textbook case in my opinion - there are a couple of guys mugged as well, but the focus of the aftermath is on the two cute female musicians.)

When it comes to USB tales, on which we as authors have a lot more control, I'm a lot closer to your opinion actually - personally I also don't wish to write male-to-male uniform stealing even alongside female-to-female scenes (although I won't cast stones if someone wants to try one).

You could say that, I mean to paraphrase a certain little green jedi 'anger leads to embrassment' . But yeah, I was angling for humour with Mary the maid's anger at not only allowing herself to be distracted so easily by the old coin trick and getting stripped down to her small clothes but getting discovered by Frank the perverted gardener. I'am glad you enjoyed the scene.


Indeed, I think many of us guys can certainly relate to Clinton checking out Nancy's well proportioned posterior in the shower scene. Originally, Sand was going to be the love interest for Nancy but when I discussed the concept with hshws on discord we both come up with Clinton as the love interest instead and Sand just as unrequited feelings for Nancy while coming to terms with her sexuality. He is certainly a positive influence for Nancy by giving her a reason to live beyond her desire for revenge, to help her come to terms with her horrific past and to remind her that not every bandit is irredeemable. And he certainly does reflect the prudish mentalities of the 19th century but also the ideal gentleman who reminds Nancy of her father.


Unfortunately in most mainstream media there is an over prevalence of male-to-male scenes that leave us female-to-female enthusiasts hanging, which is why we as authors work diligently to provide members with the scenes that mainstream media denies us, for whatever reason. Now one of the few scenes with mixed victims I appreciate was the replacement of paramedics in the Strike Back episode, but largely because the camera does focus on the stripped and very cute ( but quite dead, sadly) female paramedic but this is still close to my red line. ( And to offer my opinion on the Get Backers scene, just as long they focus on the half naked girls it's not a problem. But that scene would have been perfect if all the victims were female and perps female, but as The Rolling Stones say: You can't Always Get What You Want. )


Thanks, it's nice to find someone who agrees. I mean I have the same mind, if someone wants to try it then just do it on another forum because I certainly won't read it.

[meditions142]

It is the perfect uniform stealing set up. You have two pretty women doing they jobs totally unaware they are being targeted. They are lured into a trap never knowing anything is wrong until it is too late. Then we get the perfect sleeper scene "they were quickly seized from behind, arms snaking around their slender necks, applying pressure cutting off the blood flows to their brains." Followed of course by them being drugged so they stay asleep.

You really did get all the perfect touches for the scene. The more I look at it the more that stands out. The idea that Abigail actually starts to wake up is great. Loved the "W-what happened...?" comment as she remains not fully conscious and confused. However, next Nancy quickly puts a stop to it as you describe: "Nancy clamped a hand over her mouth and injected the needle deep into her carotid artery, pressing the plunger."

Then we get the very sexy scene of Abigail going back under " Screaming into Nancy's hand, Abigail bucked for a moment then let out a low sigh eyes rolling back into her head as she slumped unconscious naked into the chair." The image of Abigail sighing then her eyes rolling back and next her slumping back into the chair is very, very sexy!

[Stormtrooper1990]

It is the perfect uniform stealing set up. You have two pretty women doing they jobs totally unaware they are being targeted. They are lured into a trap never knowing anything is wrong until it is too late. Then we get the perfect sleeper scene "they were quickly seized from behind, arms snaking around their slender necks, applying pressure cutting off the blood flows to their brains." Followed of course by them being drugged so they stay asleep.

You really did get all the perfect touches for the scene. The more I look at it the more that stands out. The idea that Abigail actually starts to wake up is great. Loved the "W-what happened...?" comment as she remains not fully conscious and confused. However, next Nancy quickly puts a stop to it as you describe: "Nancy clamped a hand over her mouth and injected the needle deep into her carotid artery, pressing the plunger."

Then we get the very sexy scene of Abigail going back under " Screaming into Nancy's hand, Abigail bucked for a moment then let out a low sigh eyes rolling back into her head as she slumped unconscious naked into the chair." The image of Abigail sighing then her eyes rolling back and next her slumping back into the chair is very, very sexy!

Thank you for the high praise my friend, it really means a lot. When I conceived this scene I already had it in mind for one of the girls to wake up, and it was always going to be Abigail because of the early foreshadowing. You know that while I like both lethal and non lethal scenes, non lethal allows myself as a writer to explore further fun interactions between the victim and the infiltrator, a short but brief relationship that is intregal to USB . In case Abigail waking up all confused but Nancy knowing that the success of the teams mission requires the girl to be neutralised for a while, shows no hesitation in dosing her with the laudanum.


I agree completely, the mental image of the naked confused and terrified Abigail still slumped in the chair with Nancy pinning her down with a handgag and administering the laudanum through her carotid then slumping back asleep is a sexy, powerful one. I'am pleased with the way it turned out

Looking back, I think this well ranks in my top favourite scenes I have ever written. Up there with the likes of Liesel and Michaela in The Last Holdout , the kinky scenes in Dinner in Sevastopol and the receptionist takeout in The Nakamura Tower Heist Pt 1.

[meditions142]

Thank you for the high praise my friend, it really means a lot. When I conceived this scene I already had it in mind for one of the girls to wake up, and it was always going to be Abigail because of the early foreshadowing. You know that while I like both lethal and non lethal scenes, non lethal allows myself as a writer to explore further fun interactions between the victim and the infiltrator, a short but brief relationship that is intregal to USB .

I think that is what makes the entire scene so perfect. It how much Abigail is involved in the story but still cannot image what will happen to her. First we get the scene where McClaine orders her to show Nancy and Sand to their room and she obediently and unknowingly leads the woman who will soon be rendering her unconscious (twice) to her room.

Then, while we don't see it, we have the wonder scene to imagine of Clinton sizing her up and realizing she is Nancy's size. Then he tricks her into falling into a trap. This despite the fact as he says later she is a "good girl" he just seals her fate not really knowing what level of violence Nancy will use to neutralize her.

Then the poor woman gets put to sleep not once but twice.

I guess what I find most intriguing about the entire thing is that she remains just an ordinary woman doing her job while she is being used as a tool for the infiltrators.

[Stormtrooper1990]

Thank you for the high praise my friend, it really means a lot. When I conceived this scene I already had it in mind for one of the girls to wake up, and it was always going to be Abigail because of the early foreshadowing. You know that while I like both lethal and non lethal scenes, non lethal allows myself as a writer to explore further fun interactions between the victim and the infiltrator, a short but brief relationship that is intregal to USB .

I think that is what makes the entire scene so perfect. It how much Abigail is involved in the story but still cannot image what will happen to her. First we get the scene where McClaine orders her to show Nancy and Sand to their room and she obediently and unknowingly leads the woman who will soon be rendering her unconscious (twice) to her room.

Then, while we don't see it, we have the wonder scene to imagine of Clinton sizing her up and realizing she is Nancy's size. Then he tricks her into falling into a trap. This despite the fact as he says later she is a "good girl" he just seals her fate not really knowing what level of violence Nancy will use to neutralize her.

Then the poor woman gets put to sleep not once but twice.

I guess what I find most intriguing about the entire thing is that she remains just an ordinary woman doing her job while she is being used as a tool for the infiltrators.

Indeed, I remember when we discussed the importance of foreshadowing in a USB scene and just how intregal it is to the USB experience. Abigail (who's name we don't find out until Clinton himself identifies her after the fact) is introduced
as a young pretty waitress of no real importance to McClaine who's future fate is hinted by Nancy who makes the observation that they are a perfect size match. Like you say the poor girl as no idea that this woman is no singer but the one who will be knocking her out twice and strip her later.


I like to picture Clinton off screen seeking out Abigail, because he knew her and knew from his intimacy with Nancy that she's the perfect match for his belle. Possibly she and Constance where just doing their rounds when Clinton sized them up and tricked them into going to the dressing room. And knowing what he knew about how Nancy and Sand operate, Clinton placed a lot of trust in the girls to be as gentle as can be allowed when neutralising them. Did he regret using them like this? He probably did but his love for Nancy and his desire for Red Rock to be free of McClaine lessened the guilt he felt.


I agree, and like we discussed it's why for me ordinary women make the best USB victims. It's like you said intriguing to imagine a woman like Abigail who thinks herself insignificant is in fact an important tool for infiltrators. That she couldn't comprehend that in that night she would be a target because of what she's wearing is valuable to them and their goals.

[meditions142]

I like to picture Clinton off screen seeking out Abigail, because he knew her and knew from his intimacy with Nancy that she's the perfect match for his belle. Possibly she and Constance where just doing their rounds when Clinton sized them up and tricked them into going to the dressing room. And knowing what he knew about how Nancy and Sand operate, Clinton placed a lot of trust in the girls to be as gentle as can be allowed when neutralising them. Did he regret using them like this? He probably did but his love for Nancy and his desire for Red Rock to be free of McClaine lessened the guilt he felt.

It makes for a great, great scene. Clinton goes up to Abigail and tells he Ms. Cavill and her maid need some water. We are shown Nancy noticing this when as you say: "In the crowd she nodded to Clinton who pulled over two young waitresses, one the girl who had shown to her room, the other an attractive auburn haired girl." Love the idea of the nod that no one else would notice but Clinton could see as "those two will do fine". Then Abigail and Constance obediently follow his instructs and are off. Perhaps under his breath Clinton says "sorry girls" as he eyes up their cute asses as they walk off.